The Bad Show Publication date Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:00:00 +0000 We wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. All right, just to back up for one second. Yeah. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. I'm going to take a break. Walked in and asked his wife where this friend of mine was, and she got a disgusted look on her face, and said that he was up in the bedroom. I think you got to answer it with him, right? 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. Accuracy and availability may vary. And you got to ask is the world better with him or without him? I killed her. We thought that maybe as- as we turn a corner ourselves, we should refresh. And he says that's what people wanted. So my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John [Matsen 00:58:19], they start using a line, a tact of interviewing that was very. You can find out more information about all those guys on our website. And one evening, they were throwing a party and invited me over. They're doing it because they think they ought to. Next, we meet a man who scrambles our notions of good and evil: chemist Fritz Haber, who won a Nobel Prize in 1918around the same time officials in the US were calling him a war criminal. This you and this two other participants. But that's just a- those are fantasies. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to-, That says, "There shall be no Jews in the civil service. I mean, you know, it's just one of those things we've been bringing back shows that we think are just vibrating still in the world. That's correct. "The experiment requires that you continue.". Necrophilia. "This was exactly what was on my mind. The same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. That the earth couldn't support this many people. It was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. Is there a way to explain why some people act the way they do and others don't?". In fact, we hate being told, but we will do it on our own if we think it's good. He recruited a bunch of subjects. Visit rocketmortgage.com/radiolab. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we if they're worthwhile doing, they're not always easy. And is found by her son. Really, that story's been told a million and one times for the last 50 years, we've just got to get over it. Why did you take these women off the streets and wanted to destroy them? That's it? These are people who are incredibly noble, they are. It's called Too Much Information. Then he goes and celebrates that, and then walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says, "More of that please.". But this was a moment in German history, he says, when Jews had a decent amount of freedom. And it becomes Zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. Alex Haslem, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. And so, Gary starts going through this narrative of what he did to Carol. Because it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of humans' latent capacity for evil. And that's all the difference in the world. Yeah, me too. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. He has a pot belly. He's such a puzzle to me. And it's kind of surprising. "I need to kill because of that." And that tonnages then moves into our food source, our food source then moves into our bodies, and the rough statistics are that half of each of our bodies contains nitrogen from the Haber process. And I used to socialize with him and- and his wife. I'll go along with this.". How many of them went into that kind of detail? I've just got the, uh, the data from the Milgram. These are- these are people who are incredibly noble. But we ended up walking this question around different people-. Yeah let's . Sort of unsportsmanlike. Yeah, members of his extended family did; certainly friends of his did. Don't you think you should look in on him, please? Podcast Transcripts of Radiolab Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? Here it goes. We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. He wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. He has such great faith in me." Haber starts thinking, in order to do this we need to, uh, pressure this. Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called-. Check out the Blank Slate, a book by Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. Gary said, "I needed to kill them," they go, "Why?" Although, clearly on some level they know it isn't. And we didn't really come to any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. Radiolab. And "Well, why the rage?" To feed about 30 million people. Up until that point, Gary refused to say that "From the minute I picked these women up I wanted to kill them." That's where they're heading towards. Every time that guy got the word wrong. The Bad Show.ogg download. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of Aaron the Moor-, And there's a moment in the play where Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently.". All right, so I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? And you like her. He was trying to repeat this masterstroke. Um, "Demand me nothing. "Why did you inflict all this suffering on them, on us? When you press one of these switches all the way down, the learner gets a shock. Is that- is that nitrogen is trivalent. You've touched me. So these are some word pairs. Yeah. When you call someone, "Evil." "This was a moment in German history," he says, "When Jews had a decent amount of freedom.". That's correct, because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it, its trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy is released, it can be used for life or death. And then the final one-. I mean, yes, I did lie about that. But, you know, over the entire ocean there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. All rights reserved. Natural deposits would be like seaweed or-, You know, you could find it in cow manure or-. And on June 13th, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell and brought to this sort of very nondescript concrete ugly office building and, um, over the next six months from June to early December. What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them, play out the same way. There's a lot of black and white thinking happening right now. He was in this state of fury, he said, and instead of hitting his wife, he smashed his fist into the bathroom mirror, and then realized that he had to leave the house, or he was going to do damage to her. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society. Thanks. But if you put two experimenters in the room and-. When you call someone then you're kind of done with them. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. [crosstalk 00:17:42], It's the experimenter-. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, _really _bad that's in some of us. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. He works for a general. Cruelty, violence, badness in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. He is- he wants to feed- he wants to feed Germany. And that we're not going to be shocked with anything-. When we asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60 percent. He won't answer me or nothing. We don't exactly know why. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. Why did you take these women off the streets and want to destroy them? They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. And it's moving at about one meter per second. And-. So, I'm going to talk to you over this intercom, okay? Was it nice day, nice sky, nice job, or nice chair? We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." Is that how you say that? Literally disappeared for six months and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. You walk into the room, what do you find? Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? Big questions are investigated . But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. I'll give you bad. Is that like a- like a green cloud? You wouldn't though, would you really? And then she said, "I actually did this. Because this room's echo-y. Sep 21, 2018 . Again, it's a pretty big thing to miss. Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation-. You're bad." This is Jeff Jensen and he's a reporter in LA. I mean-, So again, the baseline study is the one where 65 percent of the volunteers-, But in experiment number three, if they put the shock-ee in the same room-, With the shocker so the shocker could actually see the person that he's shocking-. You know, he does it without humility, without- without a lot of doubt. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter-, Killed her. I left him, went home. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. Do we know? Fast forward 10 years. To feed about 30 million people. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court [Foreign 00:12:14] to accuse Adolf Eichmann [Foreign 00:12:18], I do not stand alone. But he does it with a kind of, uh, amoral athleticism. In- in other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. They're trying to do the right thing. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, really bad that's in some of us. Thousands of people have done it before you. Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. Yes 80 percent of the air is nitrogen atoms. He would have each subject sit down at a table. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. One of the reasons it grows is because it's sucking up all the nitrogen in the soil. Whatever it is. And they would circle yes or no. I have a choice, I'm not going to go ahead with it. And in the trial, when the prosecutors essentially ask him, "How you came to commit genocide?" Been through this a lot of times before, and she's already told you she's in a hurry. I don't think I ever had a fantasy that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. So he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself. They arrest Gary Le- Leon Ridgeway. And to this day they have not talked about that day. Yeah. "From this time forth, I never will speak a word." But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. But you can't throw that air onto a plant. In 2016, Abumrad took a four-month break from Radiolab, in large part to recharge from what he's described as burnout from the years of making the show in his distinctly intense and very. He believes in me and he trusts me and so much. They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. There's a pause and my father just says-. Accuracy and availability may vary. Go. And that's all the difference in the world. He, ultimately, spent 17 years searching for this man. Radiolab is supported by Audible. with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. So he plans to destroy Othello. They continued shocking their corpses. Milgram staged the whole thing like it was some experiment about memory and punishment, but of course it wasn't about that. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. Milgram staged the whole thing like it was some experiment about memory and punishment, but of course it wasn't about that. He felt publicly humiliated. In a lab at Yale University with a bunch of regular Americans. Well, let's talk about Fritz Haber. And I just sat at my desk and started reading these. 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