Oh, but in those same few years, I had attended plenty of Bible conferences and classes and had plenty to anonymously post about other people and their ministry on message boards! What are our motives in the confrontation? I have heard her speak twice now (both at womens conferences, and its my understanding that the Bible calls for women to teach other women), and have not heard her say anything unBiblical. The FIRST thing you should do when you have an issue with someone is to confront THEM. Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters. Maybe its time to watch this short clip. [1] [2] gelist, Speaker, [4] [5] 2 Proponent of Word . At the time, she was set to take part in speaking engagements, go on a worship tour with Kari Job and release her new book, Unstoppable. So bnos na minha vida e de milhares!!! They only care for themselves. I have also lost friends to cults due to their lack of knowledge of the scriptures for themselves, and it breaks my heart every day. I felt many emotions and very vulnerable, but I could also feel God's presence with me in a palpable way. Breaking the theological bricks and unlearning lies, Report: Former Hillsong pastors say they were threatened by Brian Houston, The Progressive Disease of Spiritual Deception in Our Time. She is an ordained pastor and functions in that capacity. (1 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 2:20). Restoration is only possible for those who repent. In doing so, you are also females teaching the word. Christine and Nick Caine join Matt and Laurie Crouch on TBN's Praise to discuss Christine's testimony of adoption and being born in shame. ~ Christine Caine. Yet hers is no pretty, polished story, and the frankness with which she addresses her own shortcomings, doubts and fears makes it, and her exhortation to keep chasing after the kingdom of God, even more compelling. I have a question Have you read Mark Battersons book The Circle Maker? Christine Caine usurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible. Help keep The Christian Post free for everyone by making a one-time donation today. Why Cant Us Men Tell Each Other How We Feel. I really hope no one reads this and takes it seriously. Yet for Scott, the negative impact of this event lingers. That word is the same for us today we are responsible to test the spirits, research and hold everything up to Gods Word for comparison. Ugliness! You sit there and judge others who are you to judge. Caine says her treatment became a "series of tests, ultrasounds, more tests" but it was during this time that she was able to see her situation through a different perspective, she explains. No we would feel convicted bc that symbol was created for the very purpose of rebelling against God. Here is a Pastrix Caine sermon review. Dont sit back and have others do the work for you. Isnt there a harlot in the lineage of Christ? It was my own walk with Christ, studying of the scripture, and life-changing experiences that helped me grow and see otherwise. I started volunteering to clean up the youth hall. Weve never been in competition with each other. 1:19-20). I am not at that point where I would feel confident before Him doing the same, so I only ask that you understand. How is a comment like Michaels supposed to attract a lost soul? You are even going by a username that hides your real identity. Seems to me that a dozen apostles brought the message to millions. Keep in scriptures, you might find better things to do than this. The dont judge paradigm doesnt apply when someone calls themselves Christian, usurps Gods word, and wants to play pastor. Dont trust your heart, trust God. If you hate the sheep you will not warn them against the ravenous wolves we have been told would come. I live like a radical because I think we all should. While I have a lot of Biblical knowledge (Ive been a Christian and serious student of the word for nearly 15 years), I was very convicted in how it had been a few years since I had won anyone to Christ. Although a lot of bad things happened to me, my life is a testimony that God can talk the bad things that happened to you and turn them around for his glory. Youll find her corrupt theology lacking. -- Christine Caine . Question for you: what are you doing to follow Matthew 18 and take your questions and concerns to Christine, Joyce, etc in person? As I started to serve in youth ministry in my mid-20s, I realized I was going to have to deal with the darkness in my own life before I could shed light on anybody else's. Love is the most powerful thing on earth, I dont know why you waste your time gossiping and making assumptions up about people But its not my place to worry about that. Heres what it means for your church, Beth Moore on overcoming abuse, growing a worldwide ministry and leaving her beloved denomination, Kemi Badenoch is right to defend Kate Forbes from religious intolerance, My daughters heart stopped as I watched on helplessly, I went to Mallorca to party. Apology appreciated. 2023 BGEA Lets get people into the boat and stop fighting amongst one another. Has the author of this article suddenly become God and we are unaware of it? Coordination with the international . 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Judge for yourself who to follow. And to whom am I calling anything behind their back? Ill call it straight to their face! How did Jesus act? Nick and Christine Caine, pictured with their daughters Catherine (left) and Sophia (right). Stay blessed. Response to correction reveals whether you are dealing with a brother or with a wolf. Weve never sat down and had this big discussion like: You are the man and I am the woman, so I have to wash dishes and underwear and that makes me somehow more biblical whatever that means. This is strictly how a person who is not qualified, is handling scripture. Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? Your talent will open the door but only your character can keep you there. We're now able to provide a place through the A21 Campaign, an international antihuman trafficking organization with the goal of abolishing slavery in the 21st century, for those who feel like they have no purpose and that nobody loves them. As I mentioned yesterday, pastoral ministry is not merely a building up, but also a tearing down. But we are supposed to believe be brave enough to call it to their faces? Hope 103.2 will be ready to celebrate what's good in society and culture. That's probably why I'm so intense, passionate, and serious about my faithbecause it wasn't a light decision. Hagins principal disciple was Kenneth Copeland who, with his wife, Gloria, is the unofficial leader of the Word of Faith movement. In retrospect, Caine says she had to endure much despair in order to have a story of healing but it was because she ended up learning a lesson she thought she already knew. they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. They want to judge the world because it makes them feel better about their sad little lives. I guess you guys would be the first to throw the first stone. Referencing Hebrews 6 she tells me, It doesnt matter if youre a global evangelist or somebody that nobody knows. Christine Caine is wife to Nick, mother to Catherine and Sophia, author of Undaunted, and founder of The A21 Campaign, an antihuman trafficking organization striving to abolish slavery in the 21st century. Christine Caine, sexually abused but saved and freed in Jesus. It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. I write this as a Baptist, and so I would argue that the excommunication is a congregational responsibility and not something that pastors can impose alone (e.g., 1 Cor. To fail to do this is ministerial malpractice and harmful to Gods people. I have seen words tear apart friendships, relationships, business partnerships, and churches, and so I want to use mine responsibly. Pardon me, but I need to focus WAY more on that before someone else. We must be careful not to imply through our associations affirmation of false teachers. In conclusion, whats the point of confronting false teachers? I would say the fawning over Christine Caine and other false teachers is more akin to being cult like. Id like to know how you find Christine Cains teachings to not be Biblical? Many of the people you are tearing down are Gods people and are in the faith, running the race.. Chris Rosebrough Reviews Christine Caine at Passion 2015 Conference. And there is one thing you must remember about wolves which separates them from Christians. Christine Caine Reveals She Had Cancer for Nearly Three Months; Says God Healed Her Body, Christian college asks Supreme Court to stop Biden's trans dorm directive, M.I.A. 11 Net worth of US$300 million. I genuinely thought this was a joke HAHAHA. They called people out TO THEIR FACES, whether in speech or by letter. For Christine, shame grew out of numerous hardships: schoolyard bullying, the discovery at age 33 that she was an adopted child abandoned by her biological parents, and most significantly years of sexual abuse that she suffered as a child. Just love God, love people, love each other. When learning we have a responsibility to also study and pray with diligence and seek Gods will not blindly follow the teachings of any man or woman.. You obviously have no clue what it is you are talking about and have never heard any of these people speak. . . That fact indicates that false teaching is just as much a disciplinable offense as sexual immorality. When you question someones salvation, you are questioning their citizenship in heaven. More thankful than I have words to express right now," Caine said in her blog. I also hope this person finds truth and happiness in God and in his word. You live all of your life with the utmost transparency including your family life. We are all called to preach the gospel to others not only men! Thats the sign of a person whos self-promoting through public pugnacity. And that brings us to our second point. Progressive (Social Justice) Christianity You are also bearing false witness ( you accuse of jealousy, envy and trouble making) and youre judging out of pride and emotion, this is the way Christ forbids us to judge. Christine shares how she struggled with what happened to her and how her faith helped her overcome the shame and worthlessness she felt for so many years. God is good and God does good, but bad things do happen to good people. Blessings. Jesus. Maybe you should stop thinking in the us v. them scenario. The strawman argument youre trying to rope me into wont work with me. I just wrapped up finals in Folk Religion & Animism at a fully accredited Christian university. God can make anything come toppling down. When Christine was a youth pastor at the Hillsong Church, she attended a workshop on abuse to get ideas about how to help people. I think this is a site for pharisees. You seem to have a very very real gripe with Ms Caine that I encourage you to take to her in person. She said its on ongoing process to stay emotionally strong. Good night read your Bible berean and how about not twisting it when you do so. Faith? And is that true? I pray those with ears to hear will find their way out. To whoever wrote this, I pray that love invades your heart for a daughter of the King. I can assure you, you wont. My friend Alan Hirsch says: We have to read Jesus meaning just come back to that central place. Pressing on in todays culture is costly. If God called them to preach then who are you to deny what God has called them. A response to this is appreciated. Yes, Lydia was the LEADER of her house church and played a key role in getting her family baptized. You mean judgemental? Also to you clueless ignorants and your weak pitiful statements and untruths saying who are you to judge and stop pointing the finger type things, .stating and pointing out facts is not judging, lol. As someone said, i too am glad it is the Father who will be judging us all He alone can see the intentions of our heart. Incredible! Wow. I thank God for all of the women who followed the call of God and took up their crosses, facing so much opposition in the process. Every woman, girl on the planet is a daughter of the most high king, made in Gods image. The prolific writer and speaker has written openly about her experience of childhood sexual abuse and a raft of other challenging life events in her latest book, Unashamed. Your significance and security is not going to come from a ministry, church, career, salary, title. Well said. From the age of 3 to the age of 15, Christine Caine was abused by 4 men every week. You dont personally know me and have gone on and on about what YOU think I do or do not know. I would beseech you to dump Caine and sit down with a bible and rethink what you have been taught. You cant add or take away from the gospel and thats what they are doing. 28 following. Why do you cite verses out of context and with no relevance to cause fear and that let see through such envy and bitterness? l suppose you believe judging others is wrong correct? In addition, Christine Caine endorses practice of pagan/witchcraft as seen here in Battersons Circle Making book blurb, 2. I have been waiting for you to say, Hey, I have concerns about what youre learning about ___, may I suggest you go to ____? In all of your posts to this other person AND to me, you have recommended NO ONE. They teach women and if men listen to them so be it. A number of conjectures have been put forth why Priscilla comes first at all in the references to them both. Part of Word of Faith heresy is the habitual mishandling and twisting of Scripture while teaching: taking verses out of context, attempting to make the Bible say things it does not say in order to fit the theology of the teacher, and reading oneself, ones audience, or ones own ideas into Scripture (eisegesis). 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. Remember Deborah was in the Bible and she was a prophetess is nothing wrong with women being in the ministry. It certainly has been the fight of my life to get to the place of trusting God to redeem the broken pieces of my past for his glory. . Not every purveyor of false teaching is a lackey of the Devil. We report on news and give our opinion on topics such as church, family, sexuality, discipleship, pop culture, and more! This not only applies to those whom we give our money. Before she knew it, she was struggling. We recognise their continuing connection to the land and waters, and thank them for protecting this land and its ecosystems since time immemorial. What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save? So we became absolutists until our faith grew enough to believe Gods plan was bigger than all of us. But dont call him a missionary, Matt Redman: Reverence in worship has become my lifelong pursuit. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning this up. Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth. John 17:17 Anything contrary to Gods Word produces tares. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. One day all the walls that man created with denominations will fall and we will stand before our King and will most likely realize that none of us had it all rightas much as some of us might like to think. We are to rebuke openly false teaching. Somehow I doubt theres much of that going on. The Holy Spirit draws people to Jesus, whether we understand it or know it, its just a mystery. I need to follow the scripture, which means to start off with lovingly going to them one-on-one, then taking a witness, and then taking it before the church. I know I am using a generalized context, as some would argue that ministering is different then preaching or teaching. And I believe that impacts 24 hours of our day, seven days a week and every sphere of life. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. The reality is that while these religions are easily identifiable in places like the Congo, Haiti and Mongolia, they arent so easily identified here. In my last post, we looked at six characteristics that help us to identify false teachers. New Age We are commanded to come out from her. This new book is incredibly timely; did you start planning it before lockdown happened? Harmoniously, they labored together in the service of the church. Who will replace retiring Rick Warren at Saddlebacks Helm? 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Thanks to Christine, I plan on inviting several lost people to study the Bible with me this Easter season. Karen you just dont get it! Word of Faith Paul is adamant that no change can be introduced into the apostolic gospel. That has more impact than sitting online calling people heretics. Catholicism (RCC) Luke 19:39-40 3 9Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, Teacher, rebuke your disciples! 40I tell you, he replied, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.. Dont mistake love of the world for the true love of God, His Son, and His scripture. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. They are never mentioned apart. While Caine and others have been proven by some, to someones level of satisfaction, to be wolves, ( I personally dont care, and the reasons wil be explained below ) I find the idea you have put God in a box to be the hardest partt to swallow. I was adopted as an infant and raised in a traditional Greek Orthodox home with traditional gender roles. In both texts, Paul hands someone over to Satan. Apr 13, 2013 - Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Caine took to her blog on Tuesday to share that during the span of a week, she had gone from having a sore throat to being diagnosed with four separate throat conditions, including stage 1 of thyroid cancer. 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